وفاة رئيس الوزارء الاسرائيلي السابق أرييل شارون

He was not responsible for the massacre at Sabra & Shatila.
His guilt was that he trusted the people of Lebanon and did not realize what means human lives according to the Arabian eye.
The results we see every day.
The numbers of Arabian casualties been murdered by Arabs by their own people is 1000 time more than Israel ever did during 65 years of existence.
Frankly speaking, does Arabs need Israel to kill each other or Israel is just and excuse to the frustration of the Arabs for hating each other so much.

Not so great pierro, may his soul burn in eternal fire. If you like him then at least have the decency to remain quite. This man caused the death and rape of over 10000 people in lebanon and in palestine. Who cares if he made steps towards peace? Especially when that peace would be unjust anyway. After all the houses he destroyed, all the death and destruction he unleashed and all lives he shattered, only hell awaits him.

Lol

great piero
a jew is a jew. He only cares for Israelis at the expense of Palestinians

ice man
good one you are right though

I am a bit confused cedre ......
On one hand you are not fond of phoenix's avatar (Bashir) while at the same time you support Gaegae (Bashir's successor). Do you support Gaegae simply because he is anti HA? Same goes to HA people who support Aoun simply because he is anti-Harriri.
This is the paradox of Lebanese politics ..... we are splintered like a tree trunk torn up by a hurricane.

Lebanese traitor?!?! He was and will forever remain a hero. How dare Bashir protect the Christians from those scumbag Palestinians and Syrians? You call yourself Lebanese? The Lebanese Christians are a thorn in the side of the dream that is the Muslim middle east but believe me my friend, that dream will never come to fruition.

There was a meeting between Sharon and Bashir few days before Bashir was killed. Sharon was very upset with the way the president elect was proceeding and told him (in French, yes in French) that he made him a king and now he is practically rebelling at him. Any of you older people remember Bashir coming on tv and stating that he will build the strongest army in the Middle East? That is just an example of what Sharon didn't like, I m privy to many private info ..... Sharon was a monster no doubt

(1). Marc, I cannot deny what you wrote, just I cannot but concur what my brother Roar wrote, both fit well into what could be suspected as to what might be behind the reasons why Bachir was killed. Some people also went as far as a combination of several countries agreeing to kill Bachir. Well now after having sifted through tons of evidence, one hand keep emerging as to who killed Bachir, still and still, it comes back to Hafez Al Assad. Bachir was too smart for everyone. He knew that he alone could not remove that plague called Palestinians from Lebanon, his Lebanese Muslim rivals were of no help either as was made so amply clear in his speech when he told them that he will have no choice but to go it alone.

So in 82, Bachir got the Israelis to come in and destroy the PLO and get Yasser Arafat and his forces out of Lebanon and into Tunisia, the only taker at the time, imagine, no Arab country wanted him, even Syria, lol. Then Bachir set up to build a Lebanon for all the Lebanese where everyone will be under the law and without any exceptions, Bachir even told his own brother Amin that he was not safe from the law either. Bachir also made it clear that he never believed in a weak and neutral Lebanon, that he will build a strong Lebanon, with strong constitutional institutions, of which an army of over 150,000 men, that he will stamp out corruption and that new prisons are planned for all those who broke the law.

(3). He went to the KSA upon their invitation, was given a blank check for him to fill, any amount he so wished, but typical of Bachir, he drew a map of lebanon and wrote, 10,452 square kilometers, then returned the check to the Saudis and said, help me return these, that's all I want, then left. Yes, he scared the old school of lackeys and lackey masters, which is why many thought that Israel, the KSA and Syria killed him. Israel because he reused to do what they wanted him to do, which is why Sharon went to Bikfaya at night to try and change his mind, the KSA for refusing their cash offer. It was Syria that killed him.

(4). Because Syria was literally defeated from their war with Israel in Lebanon, their main ally Arafat too was annihilated, and Syria couldn't live with the thought that Lebanon would be sop strong, yes, Lebanon they considered theirs, a Syrian region. Syria was not alone in the killing of Bachir, there are many Lebanese politicians of all sides that wanted Bachir dead, because with Bachir around, their farms and black market shops will be closed, and they will end up behind bars, so as usual, the Syrians dictate, and the Lebanese puppets are all too happy to oblige. So, it's not the KSA nor Israel that killed Bachir, but Syria, aided by it's puppets in Lebanon, many of which are still alive.

True Roar, Bachir's death is the greatest loss to all the Lebanese, who only knew him in truth during his 22 days as president elect and more so after he was gone for good.

Roar, do you remember that famous and stormy meeting between Bash and begin, then Israeli PM. Menahem Begin wanted things Bachir refused to grant, then it was that golden moment when Bachir told Begin, remember this honorable PM, I was Bachir, leader of the Lebanese Forces, now I am president of Lebanon, of all the Lebanese, not just some Lebanese. But all the same, the Syrians being so well entrenched on Lebanese soil, killed him, on real time basis as they still do today.

'He went to the KSA upon their invitation, was given a blank check for him to fill, any amount he so wished, but typical of Bachir, he drew a map of lebanon and wrote, 10,452 square kilometers, then returned the check to the Saudis and said, help me return these, that's all I want, then left.'

I love this tale, unfortunately history is less brilliant.
Bachir was trained, armed by tsahal and got elected thanks to the israelis. he was a racist, supremacist, that received his orders from telaviv...

the roar, i know reality is hard to accept.
http://rendezvousavecmrx.free.fr/audio/mr_x_2005_04_30.mp3

whatever the roar, u're free to believe that bachir was a hero.
People like stories with heroes...
Listen to the link when u have time, it tells the good and bad thing on Bachir.

Brother Roar, I also know that after Bachir was killed, the Syrians wasted no time at all to reverse the situation in Lebanon, that was at the time seemingly in Israel's favor to one that was in their favor, (the Syrians). A discussion was intercepted between the Israelis who were still clearing the Palestinian camps of many heavy and top notch weaponry, Soviet and iron Curtain types, some they gave to the LF, but mostly went to Israel which they later sold on to third world countries. The Israeli command found a large cache of radio equipment that they could not use with their US and Nato types, so they spoke by talkie if the LF wanted them. The LF wanted them because they'd give them to the army. So the Israeli commander in Beirut, told the LF to send trucks to collect them as they had little time to them, otherwise they'd blow up the Soviet made stock of radio equipment.

Roar bro, don't waste you time with Cedre, let's move on.

Hobeika was marked for life by the brutal murders of his family in the Damour by the Palestinians during the beginning of the civil war, so yes, HK had a personal grudge of revenge with the Palestinians, so when the orders came from his boss Hafez Al Assad, he saw it as his big opportunity to score many goals, one of revenge, two to serve his boss in Damascus.

Geagea too was a rival to HK and bachir, so this is when he literally made a coup on Fadi Frem, another good man who shared in Bachir's patriotism.

Roar bro, Syria was always close to the US. We saw how later on Syria was allowed to storm Baabda to oust General Aoun, then take full tutelage of Lebanon, finally as Damascus thought. The first Desert Storm war in which Syria joined the allies against Saddam Hussein was the reward or ice on the cake for Hafez Al Assad. But what the Syrians never knew, the US cannot be trusted, as is the case now in the Syrian war.

You see Roar what the US did to the KSA so recently? Whilst the KSA was kicking and shouting in tandem with Israel NOT to enter into a deal with Iran, what happened thereafter? The US, that's correct, the US and the EU entered into negotiations with Mr. Rouhani and only yesterday, the Iranians looking so jubilant announced that all outstanding issues were settled in FULL. Netanyahu made so much noise, to no avail, the Saudis too, so now what did they got? The US and the EU just did what served their interests that's all. Even Qatar has now cooled off its Jihadist/Takfiris support in Syria, the Qataris call it, regime change in Qatar, but policies too changed, U turn. Bahrein has cooled off too, so the message should come to us normal citizens soon, but I've already read it, America goes after it interests always.

Bless you Roar, me too, I look forward to sit with you and enjoy your company. have a good weekend bro.

How cute. Lovebirds.

No one is saying he was a Gentleman. I (and others) are saying he was a fierce fighter, straight talker, and very patriotic.