52 نائباً اختاروا "الورقة البيضاء" و48 صوتاً لجعجع والدورة الثانية الاسبوع المقبل

does anyone know how many votes aoun got? frangiyeh? emile rahme? gilbert zwein?

I don't see a war-criminal essentially electing himself as a candidate to run for the presidency of the country except Geagea. So yeah, he's the only one who matters in this regard.Pretty much the contemporary joke of the international community too.

Good thing he got less than half of the needed votes. Also, maddening how M14 elected a candidate who butchered so many Sunnis (as well as Christians, Shiites, Druze, etc.). Let somebody else take charge, somebody fresh and new. Warlords aren't welcome for the presidency of this proud republic.

**Till this country....**

Some of the Lebanese who made the country a joke made all of the others a part of their circus too. A convicted warcriminal who slaughtered every beacon of prosperity in his own sect and those of others, trying to become president. Ludicrous.

And why, just because he's against Hezbollah? You think he'll be able to coerce them? Hardly. The nation as a well will have to bear in its history books that it tried to elect such a man, much to the chagrin of future generations.

Think of the thousands of Sunnis he killed, and all the peaceful protestors in Nahr Al MOT. Enough hypocrisy and blood-drenched criminals. Get somebody new or let there be vacuum. The country cannot and will not tolerate electing a mass murderer as its presidential representative.

"If you want to be credible - then you have to look both ways."
I am.

"Yes Geagea WAS a war criminal during civil war."
Still is pretty much, sorry to burst your bubble. The families, church-goers, and peaceful protestors he murdered in cold blood; the difference between military operations(i.e. casualties and collateral damage) and a blood-thirsty psychopath.

"But so was the rest of the warlords currently inparliament & cabinet.
And so was your dear Hezbollah."
And? Also, it's not my Hezbollah nor is it dear, ok? Let's get that straight first and foremost.

"Your dear Hezbollah was indeed as much a mass murderer as Geagea was."
Please quantify that and I will head your words. Also, it is not relevant, because Hezbollah has not nominated itself as a presidential hopeful, and neither have any of the other warlords and criminals. It is Geagea's lunacy alone that outshines that of the rest combined many folds over.

2.

"But Hezbollah never stopped murdering like Geagea did."
You say this with conviction. Personal conviction, of course.

"Hezbollah is still murdering people to this day."
Hardly. It is fighting for the survival of the ME as we know it. A takeover by extremists who behead, rape, torture, make sharia courts, mass executions, kill kids for merely supporting their government, behead them for joking, train them to fire mortars, welcoming them in beheading rituals and taking their pictures, stealing children from their parents for the satisfaction of their deviance, and so on, is a noble fight indeed. You simply have your rose-tinted (white, red, and blue, rather) glasses on at the moment. Not me.

"And want to push for a president that will allow it to continue to murder people un-abated & unchecked."
You are mistaken. Who does Hezbollah want to push? Please tell me their candidate.

3.
"Now you want a Presidnt without past criminal record - i agree."
GOOD. That is only what I want, otherwise... Lebanon has had enough rape.

"I think Helou (the only other candidate so far) would make a good president."
Good.

"But only problem is ... adopt dissociation policy."
You do not know this, nor can you predict the future. So judgement's still out on that. Also, bear in mind Hezbollah was with the dissociation policy, before the other camp sent milk and blankets and provided safe havens for terrorists, essentially beyond the reach of law, as your ilk like to say of the other.

"I.e they want to continue murdering unchecked & with impynity."
Right, no.

4. The man is a WAR-CRIMINAL with the blood of literally thousands and thousands on his hands, and allowing him to represent the people of Lebanon, as president, is a grave mistake history will not forgive (nor acquit, if you get my drift).

Thankfully, I do not believe he has a chance (e.g. other M14 candidates are surfacing), but to see his psychopathic a bout of delusion, arrogance, shameless audacity, and the coercion of thousands of supporters is an overwhelmingly grand sight to behold indeed.

"Got that Senescense - Mr. Hezbo Takkia boy - trying to pass himself as - centrist - non-paetisan."
See this? Exactly what I'm talking about. How can I reason with such a man consumed in his own paranoia? I believe continuing this discussion will be fruitless, and will therefor politely stop. Of course, that won't stop you from posting some smirky comment, but alas.

full-disclosure. thank you friend. Some people are pretty slow though. I don't think you could ever convince them of anything neither by rationality nor negating their hard cold facts. Fortunately, the masses are not similar at all to the people on here. You really need to be a Sisyphus of sorts 'round here it seems.

Well, back to real life.

@Southern : Shut me up ! You can bomb me, assassinate me, kidnap me, erase me or do whatever terrorist thing it is you do to shut me up.

I won't shut up on my own because my voice and that of millions of other lebanese is far stronger than any weapons you point our way !

All I'm telling you is to choose between weapons and words. Both cannot co-exist.

You want to participate in the democratic life of this country, you're free to do so without your weapons.

You want to debate ? drop your weapons.

You want to adhere to democratic values ? drop your weapons

You want to make Lebanon strong and believe in the state of lebanon ? drop your weapons

It's very simple really. To co-exist, there can be no weapons outside the state and you must accept the rule and will of the majority.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience

I'm not arguing with him. You cannot convince the braindead anything. But it's important for others that his comments, nonsense, lies, contradictions, heresies are exposed.

Otherwise, they will eat us alive and turn this country into a theocracy where god is non other than Hassan Nasrallah, the "sayyed", "prophet", dictator, general, terrorist, leader of the army of Kalashnikov Zombies fed, armed and trained by Iran !

*want*

At least that convicted criminal served out his sentence. The General went on a 15 year vacation to Paris while his followers in Lebanon were either massacred by the Syrian army, or simply "disappeared"; and upon his return, he bent over before the murderers of his followers. Get yourself a new moral compass. Because next time Der General goes on a vacation, you could be one of the new generation of those he abandons.

Justice is whatever you perceive it. Again we are going around in circles where the ultimate goal is the country.

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matt 7:2

Who put employed you as the determinator of justice?

How do you win when you are not even playing.

Put a candidate on the table or vote for Henri Helou.

Again, I don't care who wins, we need a president in place.

By the way, this Lebanese politics stuff is like the Turkish films, entertaining and never ending.

Where is my popcorn?

No no , Aoun was kidnaped by the French ambassador, shipped to france and served 15 years at the Bastille.. Lol