شريط "تعذيب" سجناء في رومية يثير ردود فعل ساخطة وريفي والمشنوق يؤكدان "ملاحقة القضية ومعاقبة الفاعلين"

Besides the nice words, I wonder how Mashnouk "responsibility" will materialize. Will he go to jail? Will he resign?
And actually, I'd be more interested in seeing the real culprits held accountable, not the minister who just landed the job recently, but those who led the ISF during its decades of institutionalized torture.

You said it Mowaten. Were you around during the "7imlet 3abbadi el Shaytan"? Where any guy with long hair/piercings, or any girl with short hair/tattoos were arrested in broad daylight and beaten the $#!t out of before being released with no charges? Considering that the general amnesty of 1990 incorporated all the militia wazawiz into the army and/or police, what is so surprising about the fact that we are being policed by thugs?

Indeed Maxx, I remember those times. There was an underground concert place in Jal el Dib where some rock/hard rock/metal bands used to play, and they had to put people on the lookout on all the main incoming roads. Every time a police car was seen headed in our general direction they'd give the alert and we'd all run out and scatter in the neighborhood, wait half an hour or so, and then come back. It was fun, but ridiculous that we had to do that, as if it was a crime to go to a concert...

Of course they had an idea; but now they got caught.

God Bless our Army and security forces and damn those who tarnish their image whether from within, hizbolah or sunni Islamists. People like these are each of them use these news, really hard to see, use them to provoke their populations for political gain.

Yes, sure; because in our part of the World escalation always helps to mend fences.
Are you effing serious? For a group like Daesh that use such videos as recruitment propaganda material, you want to send it to their mothers? You think that would solve anything? Quit thinking in terms of hatred and anger and start thinking in terms of solutions. Provoking armed idiots who feed off anger and outrage is not going to solve anything.

That may very well and sadly be; but either we wait for our politicians - ya sabrak ya 2ayyoub! - to change that, or we start by changing it ourselves. I don't know about you mate, but I have no faith in our politicians and even less patience...
If you know somebody in the police or army, invite them for a coffee and have a long and heartfelt talk with them. It's a small one, but it's still a first step.

kanaan: how do you say guantanamo in hebrew?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/14957-torture-in-israeli-prisons-200-methods-used-against-palestinian-prisoners

Gvantanamv (Gimel-vav-aleph-nun-tau-aleph-nun-aleph-mem-vav).
But Mowaten, the only way we can stop torture in Israeli prisons is if we influence some transnational body - like the U.N., Red Cross, MSF, etc. - to pressure them into stopping (let's be honest, it's not like we're going to "liberate" them through military means). And if we want to influence said bodies then we, as a lobbying nation, have to be taken seriously in our concern. And we won't be taken seriously if we are seen as hypocrites who are doing the same to our own prisoners - after all, Daesh members and sympathizers in Roumieh are treated like Palestinians in Israel.
To all change there's a first and pragmatic, realistic step. It might not be the easiest one, but it's a first and doable step. Cheers, and happy Summer!

Sadly Maxx all these bodies are under the US boot, at least all the big ones, and they will never take any binding decision. Even the Goldstone report with all the war crimes it documented was brushed off like it wasn't anything..
These NGOs and world bodies have known for decades about israeli war crimes, torture, collective punishments, illegal settlements, illegal occupation, illegal sieges, illegal preventing of the right of return of refugees (even though it's an inalienable right according to the UN charter), and still israel laughs it off and does what it wants.. When there is no justice and no other recourse, then violence is not only necessary, it becomes legitimate.

so according to mowaten there are no shias in the ISF? More than half the ISF are shia!

I didnt say there werent any Shias in the ISF, learn to read. Or maybe you think like shialikker that the ISF is a "pro-shiaa" body?

Hold it for a second, before you fly off in a flurry of insults and irrelevant trolling, just tell me this: are you saying that the ISF is made of "da7esh/hizbulaat/nosra thugs" ?

I'd rather quote you on what you were saying in the first place, and which has nothing to do with your poetic irrelevancy.
"These people are the same that are torturing and killing people in Syria. They're da7esh/hizbulaat/nosra thugs"

Maxx, here I will subscribe to your views, I kinda winced at PB's post gone a bit too far. me too I can say that I have some very close Shiite friends, in fact some since childhood and I can also attest to this, that these people are truly wonderful people, the very best friends for life, and this if even I am so very much against Hezbollah's policies these days. You're right, we must abstain from becoming generalistic in our views, this is certainly not the way to go about it, at the end of the day we're ALL Lebanese and we shall all remain in this land and live side by side, Hezbollah or no Hezbollah, Lebanon is above us all.

We ass enlightened people need to see acts for what they are without attaching a sect to them (unless they are committed in the name of a sect and hailed by members of the sect). THis is an inhumane treatment of Prisoners that should be investigated and rectified. I believe the Ministers Rifi and Mashnoque are handling it righth

You're already dumb enough to not need to play even dumber anonyme and pretend you didnt understand what I said, or try to distort it to squeeze in your habal.
I said rifi ran and nurtured a culture of torture in the ISF, i didnt say torture of takfiris. He is bothered now because the methods he encouraged and gave cover to for decades got out of his control and backfired on what he sees and treats as "his peolpe". We never heard rifi say anything when it was young people getting beaten and tortured for smoking a joint, or gays getting eggs shoved up their anuses (as was the standard procedure for "gay testing" during his time).

and take a break with that syrian scapegoat, the automatic excuse for every f'ed up thing a lebanese does, it's always the syrian's fault eh? grow up, face reality, and stop that systematic blindness and denial of everything that disturbs you in your delusions.

you're such an idiot it's beyond words.

B) Anybody who has lived in Beirut during and after the Civil War would know that all the z3ùriyyeh that used to put down a gun on the counter and then take whatever they wanted from a shop without paying became cops and soldiers (I write this without any intention of offense to the true-blooded soldiers and policemen who have joined the forces out of a sense of duty and a will to actually serve and protect). So those need to be weeded out from the legitimate forces.
C) We are a hot-blooded Nation: we still need to learn how to treat those who have tried to kill us with the dignity and respect that is imperative to all decent Human Beings and not impulsively inflict upon them what they have tried to inflict upon us.

I agree with you for the most part; but:
A) I have known people who were arrested and, since they did not have the proper wasta, kept in prison for up to three years without charge or trial and then released and because they were released no court in Lebanon would handle their complaints afterwards (as we call it, "manyakè duwaliyyè"); these were the same people who turned to actual crime after they were released because they figured that since they were already being treated like criminals anyway even though they were innocent in the first place, might as well live up to the reputation.

Ergo, a Minister who is aware of these problems shouldn't resign; he should do his utmost to rectify said problems; like try acting like an actual Human Being and not just a vengeful c**t. It's not the Minister himself who is beating the bejesus out of these people; so let the people doing the beating be held responsible for their actions, especially their unsolicited actions; and not just the Minister who is supposed to have oversight over them but is not fully applying his authority.
Because seriously, considering that most of those who have been undergoing the aforementioned beatings are followers or sympathizers of Daesh and their ilk, I seriously doubt that a Minister resigning in the wake of such blatant violations is going to cure the cancer that is afflicting our Nation. However, if we blunt the motivation of Daesh and Co. by not giving them causes to hate us more, perchance we might achieve something better...