8 Dead, 10 Injured in Clashes at Sidon's Mieh Mieh Palestinian Refugee Camp
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Several people were killed on Monday in clashes that broke out at the Palestinian refugee camp of Mieh Mieh in the southern city of Sidon, reported the National News Agency.
It said that eight people were killed and ten others were wounded in the unrest that started as an individual dispute ten days ago.
Some of the dead have been identified as Fadi Suleiman and Tariq Safadiyeh, as well as Palestinians and Syrians Ahmed Rashid and his brother Rashid, Abou Youssef al-Mohti, and Mohammed Qatish.
The wounded include Mohammed Zidane, Mustapha Nahal, and Youssef Adwan.
Fatah military commander Munir al-Maqdah told NNA that various factions at the camp tried to ease the tensions caused by the individual dispute, but they failed.
The armed clash later erupted on Monday between supporters of Jamal Suleiman's Ansar Ullah group and others of Ahmed Rashid.
Palestinian factions, in coordination with the army, are working on resolving the dispute, Maqdah added to NNA.
The clash saw the use of medium and heavy machineguns and rocket-propelled grenades.
The army has since taken strict security measures around the camp in order to prevent the situation from escalating.
Later in the afternoon, al-Jadeed television reported that al-Tahtani street of Ain el-Hilweh camp in Sidon was blocked by the relatives of Ahmed Rashid Adwan to protest his killing in the Mieh Mieh clashes.
M.T.
G.K.
07 April 2014, 13:04
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Is it not time now to get rid of these camps? Is it not time to return these camps back to their real owners? Since 1948 they've been here, isn't time the Arabs take them to their own lands? Why should the smallest Arab country keep having to shoulder the refugee problems? Why must we continue fighting someone else' war, be it Palestinian or Syrian? Why can't we just live in peace instead of in pieces? When shall we have a real Lebanese leadership that will have the guts to speak it loud and clear, that we must no longer carry that burden? When will we have a courageous leadership that will not be bought for any cash, and that will champion finally the departure of all refugees from our land? The Palestinian presence, now added to the Syrian one, is indeed a ticking time bomb, only waiting for that fatal spark.
07 April 2014, 14:31
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First off, long over due compliment - 'Full Disclosure' whoever you are, and wherever you are - your comments and style - much respect.
07 April 2014, 15:28
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yeah right, lets deport palestinians...
question 1 : how & to where ?
question 2 : what about christian and shia palestinians that received citizenship ? what about armenians ? ALL should be deported, innit ?
07 April 2014, 15:33
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FD, Michael Owen, or better know as Michel Aoun, can't argue with that.
07 April 2014, 15:37
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Cedre if you toned down a little bit, you would have noticed that I did not post confessionally, but nationaly and patriotically. When I said Palestinians, I mean them all, irrespective of sect, OK? My preocupation is Lebanese and I honestly care less for anything else. Again, if you stayed calm, you could have asked me, how. Ultimately yes, deportation will be the end result, but after having agreed with those Arab countries deemed decent enough to take their fair share and quota and over a fair period of time. I keep repeating that it is grossly unfair to burden us little Lebanon with such problems, fair share, yes, unfair share, hell NO! Then sorry to correct you, I personally know of many Christian Palestinians and no, they have not been given nationality. I feel that you still calculate in sectarian demographic terms, but that's not how I calculate.
07 April 2014, 15:46
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JB, the Palestinian is a person I consider an ungrateful guest. He is getting a lot more than he would get in any other country, and for all I know, he is our number one ailment. Even today, he, the Palestinian keeps reflecting their dead boss's views, Yasser Arafat who at one time was promised by the Kissinger plan to be given Lebanon as a substitute state to them. Arafat the fat rat even said it, that the roda to Jerusalem passed thru Jounieh and went as far as declaring himself on French TV that he was indeed president of Lebanon. Well, the poor guy miscalculated that the Christians were a lot lot tougher to crack.
07 April 2014, 15:56
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PTSD, looks a lot like you little gal, Ibinbinladen, aka, Bani Maarouf, aka Ibinharatherik, Bint Set bani Zeinab, fake FD aka HD, akak Profile, aka Walid Jumblat. Now please do us all a favor, remove His Eminence's picture from your alias, he looks too good for you, use the ugly one of yours instead, of Jombie that is. But I know and I swear by all the cows you worship, even you have a problem looking at yourself, for a gay you look damn too ugly. Compare that with the picture of one of Lebanon's most handsome. OK, now hit that roof of yours.
07 April 2014, 16:07
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phoenix, GCC full of Palestinians, and lebanese btw...
@ ibnHarathHreik : +1000, lets give normal rights to palestinians...
07 April 2014, 17:38
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cedre. Are you out of your mind? you want to naturalize palestinians?
Under what logic? To reward them because they tried to kick christians out of lebanon during the civil war? This is ABSOLUTELY out of the question. You have zero faithfulness towards your fellow lebanese, and think exclusively along sectarian lines. You learned nothing of the civil war? If sunnites vote to keep them in, better then to split the country. But we will NEVER naturalize them.
Regarding Pals christians or shias. Same fate as pals sunnites. Doesnt matter. Our country is not their country and will never be.
Regarding the armenians. They were here from the beginning. Lebanon became their country in the 20s. They have been naturalized. And as a bonus they are a positive addition to lebanese society. So stop drawing baseless parallels.
07 April 2014, 18:29
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> let them take all the Palestinian
how about you just give them some rights?
07 April 2014, 18:42
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lefirst : when did i say i want to give citizenship to palestinians ?
I actually said to strip off their citizenship christian, shia palestinians, alawite syrians and armenians...
I said normal rights for palestinians ie school, hospitals, employment in private sector, etc... but no weapons...
07 April 2014, 13:26
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not even 1 refugees camp in the gulf countries be it Palestinians or Syrians
very well said phoenix
god bless 10452
07 April 2014, 15:25
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no refugee camps in GCC coz they give them permanent residency & normal rights. KSA, Qatar, UAE full of Palestinians, working and owning businesses normally. Jordan is more palestinian than jordanian. Same applied to Kuwait until 91...
07 April 2014, 15:39
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Fine Cedre, then let them take them, at least that will alleviate our problems and will also end the squalid and miserable situation of the Palestinians in Lebanon. Now you see? You're beginning to make some inroads into problem solutions.
07 April 2014, 16:09
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phoenix, don't tell me that, go directly to their embassy and ask them...Sure they will accept... Now lets be realistic...
07 April 2014, 16:21
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I am in downtown Beirut, please Cedre, where are their embassies, I am a bit lost. Now to being realistic, Palestinians cannot stay, a lot of our problems are because of their presence. Realistic again and without any disrespects to you sir, the sectarian demographic game is being played out here, in the hope that together with the Syrian influx, numbers could one day speak, but as I said again, despite the vehement disagreement that you may put up, the main stumbling block remains, (A) Hezbollah, and (B), the Christians of Lebanon and here it unites both LF, FPM, Marada, Kataeb etc...You may want to object to this, but anyone here will readily attest to the fact of demographics and those who are here to counter them. With all due respects.
07 April 2014, 16:33
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phoenix, just sit down for 5 min and think about this.
If there was a demographic game played by sunnis, we wouldn't ask citizenships for palestinians, we would just marry them, and in one generation lebanon would be a sunni country.
How come lebanese sunnis marry so few palestinian women, when syrian, jordanian, iraqi, egyptian and GCC people do ?
I know lots of greek orthos that married Syrians, but few lebanese sunnis do relatively...
So is it really a demographic game by sunnis or just a fait accompli ? Do u mean that lebanese are happy of syrian civil war and its refugees ?
07 April 2014, 14:41
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Can we organise some boats and just ship them off to an island?
07 April 2014, 16:13
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I have a fishing boat in Gemayel port, if it helps, let it be part of the fleet that will take them out of Lebanon. I'll also pay for the Diesel, full tank.
08 April 2014, 00:35
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Bani Maaroof, the boat I have for you is full of Ugandans, you'll love the ride my gal, the choppier the waves, the better the ride, and ever time you relax a little, one of them will shout in your ear, Ouwwet, Bachir Gemayel and up you'll jump again, till you reach Zimbabwe by which time they'll calm you down with that sweet word, oh sweet word, Samir Geagea.
07 April 2014, 15:15
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How come christian and shias palestinians all got citizenship, but sunni ones dont even have basic rights ?
Will NasrIran and Bashar allow disarming their PFLP lackeys ?
07 April 2014, 15:42
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That's incorrect Cedre, please check your facts again, mine at least are very different.
07 April 2014, 16:18
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phoenix, i'm a fan of demography, i studied in details the palestinian case in lebanon. I'd be grateful if u post ur facts about naturalisation of palestinians of all sects + syrian alawites. Merci d'avance...
07 April 2014, 16:24
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Cedre, a few fellow posters have already done that. I simply refused you generalization of matters.
07 April 2014, 16:37
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nobody ever posted evidence, just propaganda...
There are academic works proving naturalization of shia and christian lebanese a a whole, and few thousands of sunnis as well.
Rest is just blablabla until proven...
If anybody has evidence, thanks to post it...
08 April 2014, 03:13
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cedre,
1 of every 10 Palestinians is a Christians. Even if your theory is correct granting the Christian Palestinians citizenship will not make a dent in the population demographics. I am sure one of 9 Sunni Palestinians has already found a way to gain citizenship.
The more moderates Muslims become the less Christians would have to fear and worry about their presence and existence. Look what is happening to the minorities throughout the Middle East - They are all becoming endangered species.
07 April 2014, 15:50
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You are too sectarian!!! and i think like you, many sunnits were given the lebanese nationality in an abnormal way during the 90
07 April 2014, 16:15
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texas, respect is mutual my friend.
Palestinians cant go back to Palestine, Armenians can go to Armenia or occupied Karabakh...
Shia and Christian Palestinians were given citizenship as a whole, I acknowledge some sunnis were given as well citizenship. Same apply to lots of syrian alawites...
Dont get me wrong lads, I oppose naturalisation of all groups, but normal rights for all + rights to lebanese mothers to give citizenships to their kids or at least normal rights + easy naturalisation to all people of proven lebanese ancestry that come back...
07 April 2014, 15:51
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Bani Maarouf, you're so predictable, always terrorist this, terrorist that, criminal this, criminal that. Then you enjoy this gay trait of yours, calling people by lack of this and lack of that, or by names. I've been watching you little gal, like big Ben one could say, invariably posting after 3:30 PM, Beirut time. Either you're too lazy to wake up early, or you work as an employee.
07 April 2014, 16:07
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Tex, one cannot compare Armenians to Palestinians, despite some of the negative things some speak of them, by and large Armenians are productive, industrious and are a big asset to Lebanon. I have the world's respect to Armenians, in fact, we've a few things we lebanese can learn from them.
07 April 2014, 16:23
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its not about productivity or being an asset.
It's about respecting all sects' opinions.
Armenians are not lebanese, point final. Giving them citizenship, break the demographic balance. Or is it ok when it helps alawite, christian and shia demographics ?
07 April 2014, 16:24
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' I too have utmost respect to both Armenians & Palestinian people.'
+1000, how can u be productive when u have no rights and u are living in a refugee camp/slum ?
07 April 2014, 16:25
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Tex, I did not say you said, I just continued where you stopped. But unlike you, I have absolute respects for Armenians, whereas I don't have any for Palestinians, sorry, I am not here to please, just my frank views.
08 April 2014, 01:33
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Yeah, sure ya Banishoufgay, and the Druze, the gentle peace-loving Druze, they were there meditating cross-legged worshipping their cows and floating in mid air and John Lenon playing in the background, "Give peace a chance". OK, here to break your peace, jump, jump, "Bachir, Ouwwet, Bachir, Ouwwet". OK, let me soothe your heart, sweet Samir, sweet Geagea, nite nite gal, sleep tight, and dream of Sam G.
08 April 2014, 03:19
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I would put the distinction on Armenians being peaceful and not carrying arms to fight Turkey. The PLO on the other hand established State within a State and together with the Sunnis of the 70s labored to break the back of the Government and the army. THis is why I say Kudos to Harriri who moderated the Sunni street significantly fromm where they were few decades ago. HA on the other hand, took the Shia3 from being moderated to becoming Mullah Lunatics.
07 April 2014, 16:11
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You see ya Bani Maarouf, at least when one says, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, at least everyone knows who he is. Now, whether we like him or not is an entirely different thing, but you ya little gay thing, haven't you noticed by just how many profiles you prop up every now and then? That should say one or two things about matters that may concern you. Grow up!!
07 April 2014, 16:28
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Sorry, text correction,...Tex, I meant to say, like you, I respect Armenians, but unlike you, I don't respect Palestinians
07 April 2014, 16:35
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do u respect christian palestinians ?
do u respect christian palestinians that received a lebanese passport?
07 April 2014, 16:50
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Cedre, I have Zero respect for Palestnians, be they Christians or Sunni or whatever else. In fact, the Christian is a lot worse. Then about this marriage business, I have respects for my Lebanese Sunni siblings and I know you guys have got good taste, which is why you folks don't marry Palestinians, and good for you ya man, at least were keeping the goodlook family lineage safe. About our Armenian siblings, indeed they are lebanese and you know why? because home is where the heart is, which is not what can be said of Palestinians. Sorry man, just my honest frankness.
07 April 2014, 17:45
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lebanon_first 5 minutes ago 00
cedre. Are you out of your mind? you want to naturalize palestinians?
Under what logic? To reward them because they tried to kick christians out of lebanon during the civil war? This is ABSOLUTELY out of the question. You have zero faithfulness towards your fellow lebanese, and think exclusively along sectarian lines. You learned nothing of the civil war? If sunnites vote to keep them in, better then to split the country. But we will NEVER naturalize them.
Regarding Pals christians or shias. Same fate as pals sunnites. Doesnt matter. If they were not naturalized, they are never to be. Our country is not their country and will never be.
Regarding the armenians. They were here from the beginning of the Lebanon's statehood. Lebanon became their country in the 20s. They have been naturalized. And as a bonus they are a positive addition to lebanese society. So stop drawing baseless parallels
08 April 2014, 00:28
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Thank you ya LF. Armenians are our brothers and together we shall stand together, come rain, come sunshine, we shall endure.
07 April 2014, 16:35
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FT,
Why use me to gas them? That is cruel.
But Yes to disarming them and Yes to sending them to wherever else outside Lebanon. And YES for disarming HA and sending the Iranian advisors/trainers back home at the same time. Lebanon is too small for its own citizens and the State must rise above all.
08 April 2014, 03:03
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Almost forgot, thanks for reminding me. Still gasing them is too much I would rather transport them to Gulf countries and to whoever takes them in. Use me to transport them.
07 April 2014, 16:37
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AGREED F.D.
In the same token .....Ansar Ullah group vs. Hizb Allah
Poor Allah he has to choose between to armed and violent groups, I wonder which side of the coin should he proclaim as his Ansar or Hizb?
08 April 2014, 03:07
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I liked your answer FD. Aldeen le Allah walwatan laljamee3 (Religion is between a person and God while the nation is for all)
07 April 2014, 18:27
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cedre or I should say nakhil
where are the blankets and milk for the 1million plus Syrian refugees in Lebanon
btw how many Palestinians got citizenship in the gulf region ?
anyway this does not put aside building camps and taking care of 100 of thousand of refugees
07 April 2014, 18:35
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and I forgot nakhil
are the Palestinian in the gulf countries armed? if not they should arm them
07 April 2014, 20:50
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amazing how , when someone like cedar comes to the discussion it turns directly to a religion
07 April 2014, 20:55
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man, i told u not to take captagon while watching Game of Thrones, u're seeing again serpent and demons everywhere ya junkee...
07 April 2014, 22:21
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wow
I can see the conversation is as lively as ever
so what's up guys?
08 April 2014, 00:31
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Coolmec, it's a shame that it's turning sectarian and Cedre is not that innocent here either, but he has the gay thing all over the place with its silly comments. Most of us are trying to steer clear of sectarian levels anyway. But Wolf is indeed applying some dry shaving around too.
08 April 2014, 00:54
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Hi Phoenix
it is simply amazing that every time I click on Naharnet someone is blaming/insulting M14, someone else blaming/insulting HA or M8
I look at it as the welcome home page here...lol
08 April 2014, 01:15
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Coolmec, I'm keeping out of the personal jolts, but bro I dunno why I love poking this Shouf gay of Bani Maarouf in the eye. Like our brothers FT and Wolf said, their explanation is not far-fetched, it does make a lot of sense. I feel that come morning, the gay will rise earlier than his usual 3:30 pm routine to buy a couple more tablets to bring up some new skeletons and profiles to vent his anger as usual, like, "lack or this or lack of that", Jeez, so gay this thing.
08 April 2014, 01:33
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phoenix, with all due respect, I think I read you say something about tolerance etc... so why is it that you keep calling people gay as if it's an insult or something? I mean I respect you but that does show some lack of tolerance. You are better than that man.
08 April 2014, 00:16
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Bani Maarouf, 3ayb 3aleyk ya gay, this ba3asto language is going too far. But if you were trying to derail me, it won't work, and if Cedre follows you, it will do him no honor either. All I can say is that you are a racist gay, with no tolerance, and if you believe that being a Druze makes you a superior race to the rest of us, then think again. But you see, I knew that you were not clean from the beginning, coming up with so many aliases. What do you use, a PC, plus a tablet and a smartphone to post simultanuously? You're truly a shameful thing, rest assured, I will not respond to you in kind, but well, your being a gay, what should we expect anyway?
08 April 2014, 00:20
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Cedre, please, leave the sectarian thing out of it, don't let the gay guy influence you, either speak your mind and if you can't but go sectarian then just calm it down. It's not like you, so please ya man, tone it down, either we talk in a clean manner, or take five and do a rethink. The gay thing keeps proding you into a bad type of debates and quite honestly it's so unlike you.
08 April 2014, 00:23
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The gay thing being Bani Maarouf, who posts using a laptop, plus a tablet, plus smartphone, almost at the same time, but each one for one of his skeletons, he can't hide his hatred for the LF or Bachir, yet loves the smell of Geagea's butt. Dunno, strange taste this Bani has.
08 April 2014, 00:26
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Right on Christian Guy brother, Armenians are our brothers, Palestinians are our enemies, and anyone who supports them, should follow them, out of Lebanon, wou bass.
08 April 2014, 02:25
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Phoenix1 and like minded others above have made the correct analysis about compering the Armenians with the Palestinians in the context of whether affording naturalization to the Palestinians as a whole is for the best interest of Lebanon. The Lebanese people who welcomed the Armenians as "brothers & sisters" felt happy with satisfaction that they are able to feel content with their gracious welcome of the Armenians. Almost all the Armenians joined, entered the Lebanese tent and made it a better place to live, but the majority of the Palestinians "stayed outside the tent and are still pissing inside it with the misguided notion that they were going replace the tent". This is the difference.
08 April 2014, 00:58
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However, with all that being said, their situation is truly sad. Think about it. These people lost their homes, their lives and their land to live in such shitty conditions. Be humane, people, Palestinians are not just evil gun carrying monsters. Some are babies, toddlers, children, women and so on. I would love them to go back to their home or to any other country where they can have a normal life but no one wants them or is willing to help with that.
So what do we do? Something we definitely have to do is to disarm them. The next thing however is to have the state rule over them with all the responsibilities that comes with it.
08 April 2014, 01:16
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Loubnani, nothing sad about the Palestinians, they are ungrateful guests, they are not welcome anymore here, except by those who still dream of demographics. Some dreams though are not meant to be. Let them go man, who cares for such ungrateful people.
08 April 2014, 01:28
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phoenix I know how ungrateful that have been. Trust me I know. I also know that they are human beings and that not all of them are bad people. How can we label them all that way? They are still people. The problem we have in this world is that we forget that people are not intrinsically bad but can be manipulated to do bad things. I want them to go but go where? It is easier said than done. It is not in our power to let them go, is it? While awaiting that day we should spread the state's control over these camps, disarm them and because we too are human maybe give them some very basic human rights. Keeping them lawless as they are will only lead to more problems, more death and more tragedy for all...
08 April 2014, 00:59
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As soon as I read the title of this article I knew there's going to be a heated "debate" fueled with insults right and left.
People, I am sure all of you and I mean all of you agree that disarming the Palestinian camps is necessary. Of course it is. Not only are they a threat to the hosting country but also to themselves. When you have poverty fueled with gun power you have misery and death which can easily spiral out of control.
I am sure you all agree that what the Palestinians did during our war is unforgivable. It's like inviting someone into your home and they end up raping your wife kind of thing.
08 April 2014, 01:10
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Yow Wolf bro, now I am beginning to understand the problem with our gay friend from the Shouf, the gal does feel wrong bro, very wrong.
08 April 2014, 01:47
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@wolf 3 members of my family were killed by Palestinians and 2 were killed by the PSP, 2 killed by the Lebanese forces and 3 by the Syrian forces. Evil is not defined by race or nationality. My point is this, it would be a great day when they have a place to leave to but unless that place exists then I don't realistically see them going anywhere. The only way to deal with the problem for now is to, as mentioned above, spread the state's control over these camps, disarm them and maybe give them some very basic human rights.
