الإبراهيمي: وفدا النظام سيجتمعان في غرفة واحدة السبت ولا احد يختلف على جنيف-1

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اعلن موفد الامم المتحدة وجامعة الدول العربية المشترك الى سوريا الاخضر الابراهيمي الجمعة انه تم التوصل الى اتفاق بعد المحادثات التي اجراها في جنيف مع وفدي المعارضة والنظام السوريين، على عقد اجتماع بين الطرفين في غرفة واحدة السبت.

وقال الابراهيمي في مؤتمر صحافي عقده في مقر الامم المتحدة في جنيف، "اجتمعت مع وفدي المعارضة والحكومة بشكل منفصل امس واليوم. ونتوقع، بحسب ما اتفقنا عليه، على الاجتماع غدا في قاعة واحدة".

وكان يفترض ان تبدأ المفاوضات الجمعة باجتماع صباحي في غرفة واحدة لا يتبادل خلاله الوفدان الكلام، بل يستمعان الى كلمة من الابراهيمي، على ان ينفصلا بعد ذلك، ويجلس كل منهما في غرفة، ويتنقل الابراهيمي بينهما.

الا ان الامم المتحدة اعلنت قبل ساعة من موعد الاجتماع تغيير البرنامج. واجتمع الموفد الخاص مع كل من الوفدين على حدة.

واستبعد الابراهيمي ردا على سؤال عن احتمال مغادرة الوفدين سويسرا ووقف المفاوضات، حصول ذلك.

وقال "استبعد اي احتمال لذلك. الطرفان سيكونان هنا غدا، وسيجتمعان. لا احد سيغادر السبت ولا الاحد".

وتابع "نأمل في ان يكون ذلك بداية جيدة، وان نتابع حتى نهاية الاسبوع المقبل".

واعتبر ان المفاوضات حتى الآن "مشجعة"، مضيفا "لم ندخل صلب الموضوع بعد. نأمل في ان يقوم الطرفان بتنازلات تصب في صالح العملية".

وقالت المعارضة انها لن تجلس في قاعة واحدة مع النظام اذا لم يعترف ببيان جنيف-1 الذي ينص على تشكيل حكومة بصلاحيات كاملة من ممثلين عن النظام والمعارضة تتولى المرحلة الانتقالية.

وابلغ وزير الخارجية السوري وليد المعلم الابراهيمي انه "قد يضطر الى مغادرة جنيف" اذا لم تتسم المفاوضات بالجدية غدا، معتبرا ان "الطرف الآخر غير جاهز".

وسرت شائعات في اروقة قصر الامم عن مغادرة رئيس الائتلاف الوطني لقوى الثورة والمعارضة السورية احمد الجربا سويسرا، قبل ان ينفيها الائتلاف ويتهم النظام بالترويج لها.

وقال الابراهيمي ان "لا شروط مسبقة" في المفاوضات، "المفروض ان جنيف-1 هو الاساس، ونحن نسير على هذا الاساس".

وكان وفد النظام ندد ب"الشروط المسبقة" التي يفرضها وفد المعارضة، بينما اعتبر وفد المعارضة ان القبول بجنيف-1 ليس شرطا، بل هو منطلق المفاوضات.

وقال الابراهيمي ان "لا احد يختلف على جنيف-1، وان كانت هناك بعض الملاحظات حول تاويل بعض بنوده. من جملة الاشياء التي قد ننجح بالقيام بها هي ازالة هذا اللبس".

ولم يات مؤتمر جنيف-1 الذي انعقد في حزيران 2012 في غياب اي تمثيل سوري على ذكر مصير الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد الذي تطالب المعارضة باسقاطه وترفض اي دور له في مستقبل سوريا.

وتعتبر المعارضة ان تشكيل "حكومة انتقالية كاملة الصلاحيات" يفترض نقل صلاحيات الرئيس اليها، بينما يرفض النظام مجرد طرح هذا الموضوع، مكررا ان مصير الرئيس يقرره الشعب السوري من خلال صناديق الاقتراع.

ويقول مسؤولو النظام ان المعارضة التي يفترض ان تشارك في "حكومة وحدة وطنية" هي "المعارضة الوطنية" المقبولة من النظام والموجودة داخل سوريا.

وقال الابراهيمي "كنا نعلم ان الامر سيكون صعبا ومعقدا"، مضيفا "لم نتوقع بتاتا ان يكون الامر سهلا. اعتقد ان الطرفين مدركان للامور التي هي على المحك".

التعليقات 44
Thumb -phoenix1 13:50 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

These Syrians are nuts at best, they've seen what happens when a country goes into civil war, the horrors that the people go through, the foreign interference that only deepen the rifts further between the same people. In Syria, people are blistering each other to shreds, added to that foreigners are cutting them to pieces, and now when a real civilized chance is is given them, they start playing hub-nub? If this Geneva Summit comes to pass without an agreement between themselves, the fallout on Syria and its people will be even worse, because they the attendees would have confirmed that Syria is now ever more open to abuses of all kinds. And who will suffer most after all? Syrians still have a chance to turn things around, on the ground they can't do much, but around the table they CAN.

Missing ArabDemocrat.com 02:36 ,2014 كانون الثاني 25

The Assad regime refuses to go. This is the crux of the problem. Everything else are details.

Thumb legit 14:08 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

According to NAHARNET, and i quote, "Erupting after the regime cracked down on protests inspired by the Arab Spring, Syria's civil war has claimed more than 130,000 lives and forced millions from their homes."

I do not remember USA killing any M14-Saudi prior to September 11 2001, yet the same culture killed 3500 work goers

Missing helicopter 16:54 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

legit,
This is an improvement over your "sagh" avatar

Missing ArabDemocrat.com 02:36 ,2014 كانون الثاني 25

Seriousely legit - you are an idiot.

Missing nick.olson.92102 15:58 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

the precondition that Bashar has no role in Syrias future is unacceptable. What right does the opposition have to make this demand? #jarba is only reading a script given to him by his nato controllers.

Thumb beiruti 16:21 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

These guys cannot even agree over the object of their negotiations. Assad Regime representatives think its about "fighting terrorism" which I suppose means to devise plans and win international support to crush the Opposition which it has openly called "terrorists".
For the Opposition, they think it is to realize Geneva I, which is to form a transitional government to move the State away from the Assad Regime.
These are not compatible positions. Both sides still seek as their agenda the elimination of the other side. No party will negotiate its own demise. In such a configuration, one agenda will succeed and the other fail and this only happens when there is a victor and a vanquished in war, not around a table.

Thumb beiruti 16:21 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Geneva is a contrivance of Obama to avoid a war and of Lavrov to save his client Assad. Russia can realize its objective in these talks and save Assad, but Obama is not avoiding a war with this, he is only deferring a war and the longer he defers then the bigger will be the inevitable war that is to come.

Thumb beiruti 16:34 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

the alternative is more war, more division, both sides have deep pockets in the Iranians/Russians and Saudi/Qataris so that this thing can go on for quite some time on the battle field and cause divisions that will never heal. The International Community, to do its job, would promote this reasonable solution

Thumb beiruti 16:34 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Still, I believe the only outcome, given the configuration of the parties the only reasonable outcome is for the parties to agree to contest the leadership of the country in a free election. Assad can run on his record over the period of the last 3 years and the Opposition can field a candidate. Unlike Egypt where the Opposition fielded 20 candidates to insure that the MB would win, the Opposition would have to agree to a candidate to put up against Assad and which ever, the Regime or the Opposition, that won the most votes would govern.
If Assad loses then he would face the real possibility that the Opposition would prosecute him and his regime for war crimes, or allow The Hague to do this.

Thumb ice-man 16:43 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Souther: Please, stick to the topic at hand and refrain from making unfounded accusations against intellectuals, free thinkers, and respected members of society.

Thumb ice-man 17:08 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Dear Southern: Intellectuals can express in a few words more than villagers can do in volumes.

Thumb ice-man 17:46 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Dear Flamethrower: I am busy right now, but I will be happy to ignore you some other time.

Missing helicopter 17:07 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

It is a model that has perfected by the Syrian regime and HA in Lebanon. Prop up extremism just enough to justify one's existence. So just HA needs a bit of Sunni extremism, Asaad needs the same. It has been well reported facts from the battle field that the Syrian regime has been hitting the FSA hard while leaving Nusra, ISIL and such extreme elements intact. THose extreme elements are allowed to draw resources from oil in areas they control so they can arm themselves and carry on the fight against FSA. The FSA is the true face of Syria and hence it is the biggest threat to Asaad. Just like a Modern and HA-free Lebanon would be the real threat to both Asaad and Israel.

Thumb ice-man 17:16 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

There are statements made by great minds that are legendary and ageless. Below are some of those that have left a lasting effect on me, and in no particular order:

1. "I have a dream" by Martin Luther King
2. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" by John F. Kennedy

3. "Why is there so much evil" by Bashar Assad

4. "I am a supporter of Hizbullah, but I am impartial" by Southern from Dahiyeh.

Thumb ice-man 17:24 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

5. " I support HA, but I enjoy music" by Southern from Dahiyeh

Missing KhalilH 17:31 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

LOL @iceman, i will vote u down coz u are obstructing debate but that was hilarious!!

Thumb ice-man 17:37 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

LOL @KhalilH: What is more hilarious is your impartiality too. Just look a few posts up and see I was not even on this thread when the honorable villager attacked me for no reason. You seem like a nice guy, really.

Default-user-icon boulos10 (ضيف) 17:48 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Yo Flamethrower,
one candidate and the same candidate every election winning by 99.9% of the vote is what?
Get real, your comments in general are bellow average and a waste of time.

Missing peace 17:53 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

"but it may differ in one thing: it's residents were subjected to the Israeli aggressions "

southern is going to make us cry! poor man, all LEBANON was subjected to israeli aggression.... or i bet you think that Lebanon only boils down to dahiye as a brave brainwashed hezbi you are? LOL!

Thumb beiruti 18:07 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Since losing a free election, that is, one that the Assad Regime does not control to a predetermined outcome, will mean that key members of the Assad Regime would face war crimes trials and convictions, the option of free elections, to Assad, is the same as capitulation, which Assad will never do.

Thumb beiruti 18:07 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Still, the free election route is the best, though complicated as FT has written, because Assad's bluff can be called by a process that he has already said he will freely engage. International monitoring is needed, return of refugees is needed and all of the talk that Assad has lost legitimacy because of the dropping of barrel bombs, gassing his people, waging war by starvation and rape, put that before the Syrian people and let them vote. If they want to be led by such a regime, who can say no. If they do not, then they should have a free choice to go in a different direction and Assad should be made to comply, not with John Kerry's demand that he go, but with the will of the Syrian people expressed in a free election.

Missing helicopter 19:43 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

I am worried about elections NOT happening in Lebanon and about HA wanting to become the STATE and about arms everywhere (Militias, Palastenian camps and individuals) and about our Crook Politicians pillaging the country and creating further divisions amongst the Lebanese.

Thumb legit 18:58 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

@toolegit,
I never thought I had this effect on you and your culture. Listen to you, you are shaking man while you STEALING my avatar.
Be careful to visit Saudi Arabia or Opposition-controlled areas in Syria, you will get your hands chopped off for stealing.

Missing helicopter 19:39 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Is that so legit? Even if it was for stealing electricity?

Thumb Mystic 21:03 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

If Geneva II really wanted peace for Syria, then how come they don't let Iran participate, and how come that Assads removal is a pre condition? People should ask themselves these questions. The Salafi groups don't even want to join the talk, and they are the main opposition force.

This war will just keep on for years to come.

Thumb Mystic 21:30 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Iran is involved in their support of the Syrian government, and they never denied that. Saudi Arabia joined the talks, so why shouldn't the counterpart Iran join too? Ask yourself that

Thumb Mystic 21:38 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

define denied anony?

Thumb Mystic 21:42 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

No, Assad must not go, because that would only strengthen Al Qaedas grip. Btw why should Assad leave now? The Syrian people wants him to stay, and they have fought for their country and President for 3 years, all that to give him up now? Don't be too naive and happy anony, those are utterly your dreams and the non important so called Syrian opposition.

Thumb Mystic 21:45 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Actually for your lack of information anony, Iranian Republican Guards are stationed inside Syria now, to provide logistical support. So where are you going with this?

Thumb Mystic 21:46 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Quote - "Hezbollah choosed themselves to interfere in Syria, they wasen't ordered by Iran" That is the whole point of this post.

Thumb Mystic 22:07 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Saudi denies funding al Qaeda with cash and weaponry, Bandars filthy money let the Nusra Isil and other factions stay alive in Syria. So you deny their involvement in the support of these groups right?

Thumb Mystic 22:08 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

I am not interested in your propaganda aswell, if you don't want to hear my opinion, why do you want to discuss with me then? I can tell you, that Assad will not go, he has many backers, and they are about to win. The wind is blowing in their direction now, whether you like it or not.

Thumb Mystic 22:41 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

The US. Supported rebels in the beginning of the unrest. They never stopped their flow of arms to them, aslong as Saudi can buy the weapons, then US will gladly sell them.

That there is Al Qaeda in Syria makes no difference, and that they started fighting each other just proofs, that there are no control of the opposition groups what so ever.

Thumb Mystic 22:42 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Fact is, even with the support of the US you still could not win.

Thumb Mystic 23:06 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

They still have stingers anony, the al qaeda aka rebels still have heavy weapons.

In the beginning of the conflict the Syrian Arab Army wasen't ready, but now they are very well aware of what they are up against.

Now the Syrian airforce are better to dodge the missiles fired, and they are also better equipped with heat flares that will misguide the stingers to explode into it.

Thumb Mystic 23:12 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Btw how well did that go for the americans? Sending stingers to the same enemy they would be fighting later on.

Thumb Mystic 23:18 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Well anony, if your beloved rebels weren't so busy butchering each other, then maybe you wouldn't need to believe in my so called "propgaganda" the fact that you are writing like this, proofs you are in panic, and that your so called "revolution" has indeed failed. The SAA don't even have to fight you anymore, all they need is popcorn to sit and watch while you slaughter each other.

Thumb Mystic 23:29 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

They still flew when the Al Qaeda use stingers against them, only a few helicopters and jets were destroyed, all the helicopters and jets have to do, is to fly a little more above, to be out of reach. They can still bomb the Al Qaeda whenever they want. So how come you couldn't win back then neither? No i do not live in US. Why are you concerned about my residence?

Missing peace 23:32 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

"and peace, go talk with people of your retardation level, idiot."
poor FT... always resorting to insults when the truth hurts his feelings...

stop living in denial of your support to bashar little FPM traitor... you should be proud to support such a democrat and pacifist man, no?

proud to spit on the memory of hundreds of lebanese who died fighting this regime... but your privileges are more important than your principles, typical from today's aounists blinded by their unconditional love to a mad man.....

you deserve no respect whatsoever, as you have no dignity... so be happy to support this regime as you will bitterly regret it....

Thumb Mystic 23:44 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

Now i will send you the same message that i send anony, just with your name on it instead.

Well veritas1, if your beloved rebels weren't so busy butchering each other, then maybe you wouldn't need to believe in my so called "propgaganda" the fact that you are writing like this, proofs you are in panic, and that your so called "revolution" has indeed failed. The SAA don't even have to fight you anymore, all they need is popcorn to sit and watch while you slaughter each other.

Missing peace 23:56 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

no one other than bashar manipulated those islamists groups to enter the battle to justify their massacres and propaganda and later on the intervention of hezbis...
this regime harboured trained and financed islamists for decades and used them as pawns... like Nahr el bared for example...and suddenly no more islamists loyal to the regime? LOL

but M8ers like things to be simple: the good vs the evil ! they cannot see complex things as their binary minds bug otherwise!

so for them it is simple: M14 finances islamists against bashar so it justifies hezbis to go there!

poor people, they deserve pity.....

Thumb Mystic 23:57 ,2014 كانون الثاني 24

2 American girls whining about Hezbollah. Not anything new to me, keep dreaming about Hezbollahs fall or Assads. Good day to you

Thumb joker37 00:29 ,2014 كانون الثاني 25

@texas isnt assad regime resupplied almost exclusively by air? Last I checked rafik hariri airport was in dahieh.
This renders your analysis null and void