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PS: 55.5% of lebanese voted for m8 at the last elections, but you ignore that fact. you say you prefer to take parliamentary majority? but then when parliamentary majority shifts to m8 (when they unseated saad from his throne for instance) you also chose to ignore it.

@Mowaten :

1. Your unconditional defense of Hezbollah and their fairy tales discredits you from any debates. You cannot fight fanatics with an army of other fanatics. Again, as long as Hezbollah does not represent Lebanese, they are not fighting for Lebanon but only themselves.

Takfiris and Israeli threats are just "threats" used by Nasrallah to justify their wars.

2. M14 has won the elections in 2009. How can you deny that and claim the opposite ??? Not only do you cheat people by lying about Hezbollah's motives. You cheat them of historical facts too ? Fact is, Lebanese voted 57 M8 MPs and 69 M14 MPs. So stop basing your numbers on a "tampered" wikipedia page that shows the same numbers but inverts the percentages...

hahahahah FC, that's the new excuse? that the wikipedia page was "tampered" with?
boy oh boy, m8 are so good they must have also hacked the CIA!!!

"election results: percent of vote by group - March 8 Coalition 54.7%, March 14 Coalition 45.3%; seats by group - March 14 Coalition 71; March 8 Coalition 57"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/le.html

you're a waste of time dude, all fabrications and denial and more fabrications to refuse basic FACTS.

I am pretty sure that FC is not waiting for mowaten's opinion to know that hiss comment is discredited for this or that :) as coming from a totally discredited Iranian extremist terrorist, that judgment means nothing :)

Ya Mowaten : how can M14 have more seats than M8 if M8 is the majority ?

You said it : M14 has 71 seats but 45% and M8 has 57 seats but 55 %??? how does this work, please explain ... !

It was Southern's 3rd wedding.

FlameCatcher: that is what we've been trying to explain to you for the last years! the parliamentary elections rely on disproportionate electoral zones. the electoral law can be "tweaked" to influence the results, for instance giving one area more MPs than it should given the number of residents, because they know this area will vote for them.
that figure of 55% voting for m8 is an undeniable fact, check it and cross check it with as many sources as you want.

@Mowaten: this is based on an electoral law that was agreed upon by all parties. You can cut up Lebanon in different ways and get different results. Fact is, there are more M14 MPs than M8 and this majority was never respected.

Unfortunately, all our political system is messed up. M14 / M8 should not exist. Neither should any of the policial parties.

Politics and parties based on SECTS should be banned.

Politicians who participated in Lebanon's civil war should also be banned.

In the meantime, you have to play by the book and respect that M14 won the elections whether or not we agree on the "disection" of Lebanon's electoral districts or not.

If you do not respect the outcome of the elections, than you cannot claim to be democratic at all !

Spot on eagle!

FC: i was ahead of you by about an hour. refer to my second comment:

"55.5% of lebanese voted for m8 at the last elections, but you ignore that fact. you say you prefer to take parliamentary majority? but then when parliamentary majority shifts to m8 (when they unseated saad from his throne for instance) you also chose to ignore it."

and i realize i just spent one hour only to have you admit a simple fact, that m8 got 55% of the people's votes.

eagledawn:
Get the figures for the turnout by region. Then maybe I'll consider giving your scribblings even the slightest attention.

eagledawn: i did your homework for you, and turns out you were wrong.
baalbeck had a turnout of 49%, bint jbeil 42%, tyre 48%, nabatiyeh the highest with 56%.
while akkar had a turnout of 53%, saida 67%, tripoli 45%, zahle 58%.
seems like figures are higher in mustaqbal areas, despite your propaganda lies.

mowaten, you mean like hizbushaitan used to shoot the real resistance in the back in south Lebanon?

anonyme: all you accusations here are false.
for the 2005 to 2008: all words, no proof = propaganda.

may 2008: protesters were met with bullets when they arrived to mazraa, did you forget that? after the protesters were replaced by fighters, they caught hundreds of fighters on the other side, meaning m14 had put together a militia to fight HA. failing and losing in a few hours doesnt change the fact that m14 started it.

salman hashem: you bring him up everyday, he must be your favorite person in the whole wide world, right after oqab sakr. i also correct you claims everyday, but you seem to forget each time! short term memory loss?
salman was killed by embassy guards, not by HA, and only after his friend pulled out a gun and opened fire in front of the embassy.

@mowaten: you know how much respect and affection I have for you, right? your plenty of posts might give the impression you are a hired gun whose sole purpose is to defend the glorious fake resistance. I know this is not true, but others who do not know you might get this false impression. Please, take note my dearest friend.

http://www.lorientlejour.com/article/818394/un-manifestant-anti-hezbollah-tue-devant-lambassade-diran.html

Qui a tiré ?
Aucune information officielle n’a été fournie sur l’identité du tireur ni même sur le parti dont il relève. Deux versions sont véhiculées : selon la première version, transmise par les médias du 14 Mars, ce sont des éléments du Hezbollah, plus précisément les « chemises noires », qui auraient tiré directement sur le jeune chiite de l’Option libanaise, après que l’un des manifestants eut brandi son revolver et tiré dans l’air en réaction aux attaques subies. Selon la version rapportée par l’Option libanaise, c’est l’un des gardiens de l’ambassade qui aurait tiré en direction des manifestants lorsque l’échauffourée a éclaté, blessant Hachem Salman au ventre.

reuters is lying when they say "witnesses and officials said". there was no official statement on that.

l'orient le jour gives the two versions that were given that day, one by m14 medias, and the other by the "lebanese option".
according to the first one, hezbollah men shot at him after his friend took out a gun and opened fire.
according to the second, he was shot by embassy guards.

no extrapolation whatsover, they recited both m14's version and lebanese option's version, both are anti-HA, and both had reporters on the scene.

that you take a foreign news agency as reference for something that happened in lebanon, and chose it over both your own m14 media AND the party that hashem belonged to, goes a long way in showing how desperate you are.

thanks for the help pe-po, i hope flamecatcher is reading because i had the hardest time explaining to him the most basic facts.

now i hope you understand faster than him, those two simple points:

-"Total vote count and percentage is irrelevant" > only when considering MP distribution. when you pretend to speak for the "majority of people" as m14ers & fans often do, you better have a majority of the people's vote.

-when a system like this is tweaked into obtaining false results, allowing for instance m14 to take the majority of christian seats, with the minority of christian votes, there is a problem. and it needs to be said. "that's how the system is" is neither an excuse nor a satisfactory justification. and it is not due to the taef accord, but to the electoral law, which is set before each elections.

slander and empty accusations. not worth further answer.

i listed turnouts in all major areas that i considered representative of the mustaqbal/hezbollah dichotomy (baalbeck, bint jbeil, tyre, nabatiyeh, akkar, saida, tripoli, zahle) in answer to eagldawn who was claiming that "shias vote out of religious duty" contrarily to sunnis(seems like his comment has been censored since).
the figures i provided prove him wrong.

if you want to disprove me (which should be your first step before calling me a liar as you did) then the least to you could is list the areas you think are relevant and that i did not list. you seem to be very comfortable with theory, but reality is another thing.