جعجع:الوقائع تطرح أسئلة حول دور محور حزب الله سوريا وايران بقتل الحريري
Read this story in Englishرأى رئيس حزب "القوات اللبنانية" سمير جعجع ان "القرار الاتهامي الحالي فيه اكثر مما يكفي من عناصر لاتهام الاشخاص الذين جرى اتهامهم".
ولفت جعجع في مؤتمر صحافي عقده في معراب الى أن الوقائع تترك علامة استفهام على محور "حزب الله" سوريا وإيران في موضوع الجريمة، مشيرا الى ان "حزب الله" من اول لحظة اخذ موقفا عدائيا من اي تحقيق دولي وانسحب من حكومة السنيورة في 12-12-2005 اي قبل ما صدر في "الفيغارو" و"دير شبيغل" والتسريبات، وقبل ان يظهر اي شيء من عمل المحكمة"، متسائلا "الا يحعلنا هذا نشك؟ الا تطرح هذه الوقائع اسئلة عن دور الدوائر الكبرى في "حزب الله" ومحور "حزب الله" سوريا وايران بالجريمة".
ان المتهمين كانوا على علم دقيق بتحركات الحريري اي انهم كانوا على علاقة بمصدر معلومات كبير، وهل يمكن لافراد عاديين ان يكون لديهم هكذا مصادر معلومات لو لم يكونوا مرتبطين بتنظيمات"؟.
واعتبر ان "المحكمة الدولية يجب ان تكون بداية طريق للانتهاء من لبنان الذي كان قائما والوصول الى لبنان جديد". مشيرا الى انه "لم نوجه اتهامات لاي احد حين اغتيل الحريري ولم يوجه احد اتهامات لـ"حزب الله".
ولفت جعجع الى انه "من اهم التعليقات على القرار الاتهامي ان لا ادلة فيه الا الاتصالات"، مشيرا الى ان "هذا الكلام غير صحيح، وحتى الجزء الظاهر من القرار الاتهامي فهناك ادلة غير الاتصالات.
وأوضح أن النقطة 17 من الصفحة 6 والتي يقول فيها ان الادلة التي جمعت بما فيها افادات الشهود والادلة الوثائقية وادلة اتصالات، وفي مكان آخر يقول اظهر تحليل الاتصالات وافادات الشهود والادلة الوثائقية، وبالتالي الادلة ليست دليل اتصالات وليست ظرفية".
وتابع انه "في النقطة 52 يتحدث عن العثور على اشلاء الانتحاري وهو ليس ابو عدس وهذا الدليل ليس ظرفيا، كما ان القرار الاتهامي جاء فيه الادلة الظرفية تقوم على الاستنتاج والاستدلال المنطقيين وأن الادلة الظرفية يمكن ان تكون اقوى من الادلة المباشرة"، ومن هنا يتبين لنا ان "هناك ادلة ظرفية وافادات شهود وغيرها، والقول ان القرار الاتهامي يرتكز فقط على الاتصالات قول مردود وغير صحيح".
واضاف ان "مما هو ظاهر مما نشر من القرار الاتهامي ان هناك مجموعة تلفونات كلها باوراق مزورة ولم تتواصل الا مع بعضها، والاهم انه لم تظهر الا بالاماكن التي كان يتواجد بها رفيق الحريري، وهذه الهواتف لم تعمل الا بالاماكن التي كان فيها الحريري او الاماكن التي سيذهب اليها كما ظهرت في اماكن لها علاقة بمكان تنفيذ العملية، وهذه الهواتف لم يتم استعمالها الا بالامكان التي كان فيها رفيق الحريري، وبالتالي فهناك يقين ان لها علاقة بجريمة الحريري".
ان "الاشخاص الذين كانوا يستعملون الهواتف بتنفيذ العملية والمراقبة كانت معهم ايضا الهواتف الشخصية لها، وتبين انه كلما كان يتحدث احد بهواتف الجريمة ظهر هاتف المتهمين".
ورأى جعجع أن مقولة ان اميركا واسرائيل تسيرطان على قطاع الاتصالات مردودة تماما مؤكدا ان "هذه المقولة غير صحيحة وربما تستطيع اجهزة استخباراتية الدخول لشبكة الاتصالات بظروف محددة للقيام بامور محددة ولكن لا علاقة لها بما ورد بالقرار الاتهامي".
ولفت الى ان "كل الارقام التي استعملت لتنفيذ العملية باوراق غي شرعية وعندما تريد اسرائيل او اميركا الدخول الى هاتف للعب فيه تدخل الى هاتف احد معروف انه مسؤول"، موضحا ان 90% من شبكات التجسس اكتشفت من وراء شبكات الاتصال، والم تكن اسرائيل تستطيع التلاعب بداتا الاتصالات، لحماية عملائها؟".
وذكر ان "الحكومة الحالية اعلنت انها مع المحكمة ولو بشكل ملتبس ولكن الطرف الاقوى فيها حزب الله يقول انه لن يتجاوب مع المحكمة ولن يسلم اي متهم، وبالتالي كيف ستستمر هذه الحكومة؟ فاما تسلم المتهمين او تصبح جديا حكومة "حزب الله.
وردّ على قول الامين العام لـ"حزب الله" السيد حسن نصراللهإانه من المستحيل ان تستهدف المقاومة جورج حاوي"، مذكرا إياه ان "حزب الله" كان له سوابق باستهداف مقاومين في الثمانينات وتحديدا من الحزب الشيوعي".
What is said by Geagea is not absurd.
It is difficult to admit that the STL is a big comedy involving more than one hundred actors among them juges, lawyers, investigators, etc...
And this whole comedy had been established on the basis of a previous one which is the fabrication of a multitude of phone calls and fictive cell networks.
Why did not the Abu Adas hoax directly acuused the Hezb, why did it point to an obscure sunni organization? of course here again we can explain things by adding endless inventions...And why did the Syrians right after the explosion ordered through Al Sayed the excavation to be backfilled... Did'nt they got scared to discover that there is a terrorist network who breached their security and could introduce into the middle of Beirut 2.5 tons of TNT? Too many logical facts that is dificult to deny. Difficult to admit that both syrians and the hezb are not involved...
Yes we need more realistic politicians like Samir! Who can look beyond what these crooks are trying to feed us all these lies! Berri, NAsrallagh, Miqati, Aoun and all in this government Including Suleiman have to be accountable. We need to remove them from our society immediatley and start from scratch guys! We need a revolution NOW!
Geagea ruled out the ability of Israel...to manipulate telecom data as claimed by Hizbullah. Telecom uncovered 90% of Israeli spies, he said. “Had it (Israel) been able to control the telecom sector it would have protected its agents.”
How can one argue with such logic.
How does he know it was 90%?
Does he know something we don't?
And that highly sophisticated 10% that remains at large, how does he know they were not the ones who manipulated the telecoms data?
My God he is the dumbest person alive!
But of course Israel controlled the telecom data. It also controlled the heavy machinery that destroyed the evidence of the bombing and the Israeli agent who ordered the clean up, Jamil Al Sayyed.
bigdig, do you also predict that Jbeil will be cleansed of the Christian invaders and given back to it`s per-invasion Shiite owners, we did not get to hear your opinion yesterday.
bigdig I believe you and your friends also predicted the annihilation of the LEBANESE FORCES on many occasions.As we all witness the LF have never been stronger and more influential .The LF represent the majority of the Lebanese Christians in Lebanon Like or not.Dr Geagea and the great party he leads defended Lebanon against many conspiracies and prevailed ie the Syrian pathetic regime and their cohorts.Lebanese Forces are at it again keeping the dream alive for the patriotic Lebanese who want to live free from the evil influence of Iran and there pathetic corrupt stooges.Dr Geagea the true believers salute you.
Since March 8 love to play the conspiracy games, and it seems to me that conspiracies is all what they believe in...here is a conspiracy for you guys:
Hezbollah put the so-called "Israeli spies" in the telecom sector on purpose so as to discredit the investigations of the STL. By the time these guys were arrested Hezbollah had known that telecom information was used for the investigation. How do we know that? Wissam Eid was killed using radio communication devices, after he was threatened by Hezbollah to stop the investigation remember?
I think this conspiracy theory has more grounds than any cheap conspiracy theory Nasrallah ever blessed the Lebanese people with.
Also, it seems that M8 are only focusing on the Hariri assassination. What about the other bombings, what interest Israel has in killing them? Why didn't it kill its fiercest enemies, or the 14 political assassinations were also another conspiracy?
Wake the hell up March 8 supporters. WAKE UP.
Israel and hizbo are one. they both are working on the distruction of lebanon. Even the us is with hezbo and assad.It is all a game to benefit Israel and only israel. the us is out to destroy the sunnis in the world . the proof is instead of attacking iran they attacked iraq. the us destroyed the shah and brought back khomeini. the us keeps talking about assad but assad is israels ally . they keep giving him time and time again. its all and israeli plot and hizbo is cia and mossad together. as long as there are jews in the world there will be no peace in the middle east. i beleive that the jews are involved with the murder of hariri via hezbo. no one can plot such a murder but the jews.it takes proffessionals and that does not exist in lebanon it is a jewish plot .hariri wanted a free and open lebanon and peace.
the jews did not like it. they wanted that money coming from the us.
Isn't that what you just did "Honest Lebanese"?
As ironic as the statements made by your leaders. It is funny how if you invert whatever Nasrallah blames others of doing, it exactly applies on him. This is a psychological tactic, whereby sheep like yourself fall for.
La langue de bois, les entourloupes verbales, la déformation des faits, les fausses déclarations de patriotisme et surtout l’hypocrisie de ceux qui utilisent des circonlocutions insipides qui ne veulent rien dire pour éviter de se compromettre, toutes ces attitudes qui sont l’apanage de nos politiciens et qui ont grandement contribué à mener notre pays à la situation catastrophique où il se trouve, tout ceci donc vient d’être remis en question par les déclarations de Samir GEAGEA concernant la responsabilités des chefs du Hezbollah dans les assassinats politiques instruits et jugés par le STL.
Il fallait dire directement et sans ambages qu’un chat est un chat et qu’un assassin est un assassin et non pas un héros ou un saint ou un Sayed victorieux.
Bravo Monsieur GEAGEA ! Vous l’avez fait !
What he actually said was that 90% of the spies caught were caught using of the telecommunication networks.
he is one of the few in lebanon that use logic when talking politics, he is one of the few lebanese leaders that is really commited to the cause, the cause of a democratic and free lebanon, and above all...he is the ONLY lebanese leader to put his own security in danger and to endure 11 years of prison and pay the price that none of the other war lords have paid (compare him the coward michel aoun who ran away leaving his soldiers guetting slaughtered by the syrian army) how can you not respect this man ????
why is he left out of prison? oh yes i know...we don't have enough tarot, astrology and other fantasies.
all you sectarian haters and traitors and zionist war information workers are howling in vain. resistance is getting stronger every day and is ready to defeat your masters in tel aviv. again. keep on howling and barking, caravan passes by.
He said it all ! Nothing to add ! Did the Israelis purchase the Mitsubishi in Tripoli ? Did the Israelis import some highly sophisticated material to break the ability of Hariri's convoy to stop all cell commiunicaitions in the area he was going through, and have the customs control broken by a syrian officer then as was reported in the press after Hariri's killing? Did the Israelis kill those who are accused by the Hezb to be their allies?? Have the israelis used loaded cars with explosives to kill palestinian leaders in Palestine and elsewhere? Is Lebanon the only country where srael has got enemies, which are moreover eliminated by using booby trapped cars??
So much more will be clear later on, that will show that the STL indictment is far from being bases on the telecom evidence......Your days are counted bastards!
Geagea, Lebanon is unworthy of such an honest perceptive man as yourself.
Every time this man speaks the truth is revealed. Bless you Saint Sami.
Serious Accusations against Hizballah leadership should force the Government to begin asking for all their weapons to be handed over as a step #1, and then begin a fair investigation in the court of law on the Lebanese Territory with high-end security.
The truth of killing Harriri, Hawi, Jemayel, Tueni, (Hamadeh, Murr and Chidiac) need to be revealed.
Israel want peace with Lebanon just like Egypt/Jordan. Killing anti-syrian figures will enforce the Syrian-Hizbollah regime in the state of Lebanon which is against their zionist tactics. Israel would want to protect the Anti-Syrian regimes and support it. If at the end in the court of law those accused by the STL are wrongfully accused then there is no doubt in anyone who has a brain that Syria and its allies in Lebanon have done it simply because this is how the Syrian regime rules in Syria for more than 50 years, speak out and you will disappear the next day.
Jabal amel,
I am sure that if you conducted an investigation on the people who post on naharnet, you will realise that most of them are not zionist propaganda agents.
But if thinking that helps you sleep at night, then im glad im not in your place. Goodnight,
and seriously, goodluck !
PS: running an investigation would be worthless, because if the result is not what you were expecting, you will just say its a conspiracy.
Seriously, wad3ak sayyi2
Jamal amel: he was let out of prison bc Syria took it's hands off of our nuts...have u ever even bothered looking at the chArges that were placed on him? Ordering the bombing of the church in zahle (wrongly accused no evidence), Maintaining a militia in the guise of a political party (fii haraket Amal, psp, etc) and ordering assassinations during the cw (Kamen, haraket Amal w psp w ssnp w Hezbollah etc ordered assassinations as well). The other pigs were just protected by the amnesty law bc they kissed Assad's feet. Hakeem on the other hand refused to be subjugated by Syrian hegemony, thus him being accused of the zahle bombings. Unfortunately a Syrian leech is still sucking all the blood out of your balls...sad sad soul u r.
The idiots who believe M8 propaganda rather than scientific and logical evidence are not worth arguing with. Dudes, refuting evidence happens in courts by experts not by shiekhs who do not have a grade9 education via plasma screens! if you are truly innocent go higher your own laweyrs and professional experts who can refute the evidence SCIENTIFICALY . Hiding the culprits and claiming innocence only deepens your hole. And don't worry there are millions of honest hard working people in the western satanic world and I can assure you that there are 10 times more honest people per square mile in the christian west than in the muslim middle east (im muslim btw). Thaat there are hundreds of STL employees and investigators all conspiring in a grand conspiracy against your "muqawama" is mere fantasy and simplyu impossible. in addition, this is the era of wiki-leaks, and even the pentagon has problems keeping secrets, so just cause the truth was "leaked" to the spiegel does not prove innocence.
Oh please.. Dr Green Thumb has a bloody history why are you giving him attention? Is it for sectarian and religious reason you are reacting with his speeches or you simply became became brainwashed...Think a minute before you start a new war...
Cheers
Mr Flush,
Dr Green thumb’s credibility was washed away by bloody past...it's a fact that even Dr Green thumb admit it…..
Cheers
MrBrain is a retard!
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/13174-electricity-draft-law-tests-cabinet-unity
C'mon guys. mrbrain is the third most entertaining poster here. Please don't discourage him. I'm a big fan of his brain flatulence, especially on topics where he demonstrates a depth of understanding of the Lebanese psyche rivaled only by his ability to type ellipses. Keep posting brain. I'm a big fan.
i dont understand how those people can think , they have no brain to think ( they cant figure it out that those people fabricate all this story . how can a invistigator follow a phone call to show the truth . especially in lebanon iam lebanese and live in canada and lebanon they cannot trace even internet ip since 100000 people use 1 real ip for internet so it make no sense so i dont understand how they can make it as proof for such a big crime and we dont forget how many people killed since 1983 so what is the difference btw hariri or all othr people has been killed in mysterious way . but the only thing i can think about as alot of people agree with me is trying to get ride of the powerfull and lebanon protected hizbollah so people think well before you talk with dignity and dont listen to the stupid high people in the governement because all they care about is them self they wil never serve the community and the people they only their own business . i feel bad for the lebanese ppl
and 1 more thing no lebanese can forget that samer gaegae the one that spent more than 10 years in jail for crims he commited against his own people christians and sunni muslims ( now they are his alliens ) now he`s the angel that coming down from sky to help lol oh believe me guys the murderer always stay a murderer and who cant just think about him fabricate all this thing since we all know his past ? i cant judge anyone but i have brain to think with . so i hope all you guys to think before you talk and act . we all lebanese and we should defend lebanon from stupid people that trying to do their own business on lebanese back community .