"التغيير والإصلاح": مبادرة 14 آذار قديمة ولا معنى لها وتهدف لإضاعة الوقت
Read this story in English
أعلن تكتل "التغيير والإصلاح" أن مبادرة قوى "14 آذار" حول رئاسة الجمهورية "قديمة ولا معنى لها"، رافضا من جهة أخرى أي تفاوض بين الدولة وتنظيم "الدولة الإسلامية" للإفراج عن العسكريين.
وقال الوزير الأسبق سليم جريصاتي عند تلاوته بيان التكتل بعد اجتماع في الرابية عصر الثلاثاء "مبادرة 14 آذار قديمة ممجوجة ولا معنى لها".
وكان قد جددت قوى 14 آذار تمسكها بمرشحها لرئاسة الجمهورية رئيس "حزب القوات اللبنانية" سمير جعجع، طارحة في الوقت عينه مبادرة "الاستعداد للتشاور مع الافرقاء السياسيين بغية التوصل الى اسم توافقي".
وعليه أعلن جريصاتي أن "كل طرح خارج المبادرة الإنقاذية الوطنية (للتكتل) هو تمويهي لإضاعة الوقت ونحن لا نهوى إضاعة الوقت في الأوقات المفصلية".
واستنكر ما أساه الـ"لا مبالاة المطلقة تجاه طرحنا ومبادرتنا التي ليس فيها مناهضة لميثاق العيش المشترك".
وتهدف مبادرة التكتل إلى انتخاب رئيس للجمهورية مباشرة من الشعب على مرحلتين الأولى بين المسيحيين ومن يتأهل يترشح للمرحلة الثانية التي يقترع فيها كل اللبنانيين.
وشرح جريصاتي أن "المطلوب رئيس ميثاقي ومجلس ميثاقي ومشروع متكامل لبناء الدولة ومساءلة في جميع المواضيع الحساسة التي نمر بها اليوم فيقوى القرار وتتوحد المواقع وتتحقق الإنجازات الوطنية الخلاصية".
من جهة أخرى أعلن التكتل على لسان جريصاتي "أن التفاوض مع تنظيم إرهابي يترك له الإيجابيات وينتقص من حقوقنا والتفاوض يتم مع الحكومة السورية ومع دول وليس مع جماعات".
وقال جريصاتي بوصوح "لا للتفاوض بين دولة وجيش وبين تنظيم إرهابي ونرفض المقايضة لأنها لا تتم بين أسرى حرب فكيف هم أسرى وقد ذبحوا أحدهم".
وأعدم التنظيم الإرهابي المذكور الرقيب علي السيد بذبحه وإرساله إلى لبنان الإثنين. والسيد هو من بين قرابة 30 عنصر أمن وجيش مخطوفين لدى هذا التنظيم وجبهة "النصرة" اللذان خطفوهم من عرسال عند اقتحامها في مطلع آب.
وأضاف جريصاتي "لا مساواة بين المجرم والضحية والإرهاب التكفيري والمعتدى عليه وهذا كلام لأهالي المخطوفين الذي نشعر معهم وهو برسم الناس والشعب وقيادة الجيش والحكومة المدعوة إلى تحمل مسؤولياتها الشجاعة والمساءلة وعدم الوقوع في دائرة الإبتزاز والتواصل مع دول لها سلام وكلام مع هذا التنظيم الإرهابي".
وإذ شرح أن"الأساس يبقى تحرير المخطوفين والإبقاء على الكرامة والمهابة الوطنية بأقل أكلاف ممكنة"، اعتبر أن إبتزاز الخاطفين "لا يمكن أن يحصل ويناقض مشروع الدولة والخلل يجب أن يظهر إلى العلن سواء كان قياديا أو عسكريا أو أي خلل كان".
إلى ذلك تطرق جريصاتي إلى لقاء "سيدة الجبل" الذي عقد يوم الأحد شرح أن "لا جديد تحت الشمس في خطاب "الغبريال" والهدف منه المساواة بين داعش وأمثال داعش والمقاومة".
وختم قائلا "نعتبر ذلك بمثابة العيب الوطني ونرفض الإبقاء على التمويه في شأن مصيري".
17:52 ,2014 أيلول 02
714
Any proposal that does not adhere to Change and Reform bloc chief MP Michel Aoun's “national initiative is aimed at wasting time,” he added.
flexibility, acceptance of the other, willingness to engage, and democracy are just a few notions that characterize this hypocritical change and reform travesty.
17:54 ,2014 أيلول 02
23
I reserve judgment until flamethrower gets a chance for one more break of his daily 200th allowance.
18:41 ,2014 أيلول 02
511
are you still not posting simultaneously with your other 10 accounts?
18:54 ,2014 أيلول 02
77
drew; this mouthpiece just parrots what they feed him to say. If he really understood the FPM proposal and if he is a christian (which nobody believes) he will be the first to reject it.
19:06 ,2014 أيلول 02
510
Is that your answer flamethrower? That the moslem majority should have jumped at the opportunity? It seems they care more about the christian president than the FPM do. Answer the question and stop answering a question with a question.
18:29 ,2014 أيلول 02
115
do you have that on a post-it on your screen so you can remember what to do all day?
18:01 ,2014 أيلول 02
22
bombast to cover for their panic at the rising presidential stock of general qahwaji since the arsal attacks as shown by the serial daily attacks on him by assafir and alakhbar
18:03 ,2014 أيلول 02
69
if we negotiate with the Syrian regime, how would that get our soldiers released....? FPM never offer any solutions except undermine any and all efforts.
18:41 ,2014 أيلول 02
21
Everything isil is doing they learned from the syrian baath regime, the only difference is that isil hides behind a false islamic flag while assad hid behind the fake baath arab nationalist ideology. Don't forget bashar brought them to the area to fight the american crusaders in the first place and that zarkawi who planted the seeds of isil came to iraq from iran
19:09 ,2014 أيلول 02
56
This is a classic debate!!!! You will never get an answer, all you will get now is insults and diversions.
19:15 ,2014 أيلول 02
46
please, dedicate one moment of your precious time and answer it.... you have commented 5 times now but not the right answer!
23:17 ,2014 أيلول 02
24
quick drew, take a screen shot of flamethower's incredible answer before it gets deleted
18:16 ,2014 أيلول 02
12
not even hezballah and m8 are supporting aoun's proposal it's nothing but an Eichmann style propaganda ploy
18:43 ,2014 أيلول 02
12
Michel Aouns meaningless proposal is not supported by his allies
18:44 ,2014 أيلول 02
11
Michel Akuns meaningless proposal is not supported by his allies
18:53 ,2014 أيلول 02
31
what about negotiating with countries funders of terrorist groups ,
and make deals like the deal of the liberation of the nuns negotiations was not with Syria but with a terrorist funders country
19:02 ,2014 أيلول 02
53
please dont forget who the soldier in chief whip abandoned his post and his men and ran to the French Embassy for protection... In addition with time he has proven he is a lunatic...
19:02 ,2014 أيلول 02
10
in lebanon some people don;t dare to mention "the illness" by name meaning cancer. hezballah;s never mentioned their supposed presidential nominee they only refer to him as "the candidate", coincidence?
19:12 ,2014 أيلول 02
12
i propose a funnier joke for you the_ro, president michel aoun, Muhaahahahahah it's funny because it's ironic.
19:16 ,2014 أيلول 02
11
ok the_ro i admit it's an old joke ironically i heard it from many aounists back in 2007-08 but it's still funny Muhaahahahahah
19:24 ,2014 أيلول 02
47
Jreissati: Our concept of the state differs from their's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpIGWsTGphU
19:56 ,2014 أيلول 02
33
Any proposal that does not adhere to Change and Reform bloc chief MP Michel Aoun's “national initiative is aimed at wasting time,” he added.
Joke of the day...Seriously who voted for this guy? Since when was Aoun's proposal a national initiative? Aoun is the only one behind this idea. March 14 outright rejected it, and Hezbollah hasn't even commented on it, in effect rejecting it in silence.
19:58 ,2014 أيلول 02
34
The March 14 alliance holds onto the candidacy of Geagea, the lawmaker said but expressed the camp's “full readiness to discuss with the rest of the factions the name of a person who receives the backing of all the Lebanese and who is committed to the country's principles.”
Even if March 8 says that's nonsense, why can't Aoun at least say he's ready to discuss a compromise candidate? This isn't even about Geagea anymore, it's about Aoun not willing to discuss a candidate other than himself (talk about wasting time).
20:08 ,2014 أيلول 02
34
Spare me the "as long as Geagea is their candidate Aoun's boycotting" nonsense. Because let's define this word candidate, at least in Lebanese terms. Aoun hasn't even been nominated by his own coalition, yet he's dictating the whole process. Candidates don't even exist in Lebanon. With that said Aoun is a "candidate" no less than Geagea. This whole standoff is an insult to civilisation, all because of one man's greed.
20:36 ,2014 أيلول 02
31
Roar, your general's proposal is ludicrous. "Hey let's have a preliminary round of voting for Christians to decide who the candidates are, then everyone can vote in the second round." It disenfranchises Muslims. KSA and Iran are both against it (these outsiders you refer to), because Muslims have no choice as to who the candidates are.
20:48 ,2014 أيلول 02
36
hi nickjames. It is not that the moslems will have no choice as to who the candidates. On the contrary, they will decide who the president will be. Aoun is suggesting a 2 tier system whereby the first round will produce 2 candidates.; Candidate A say with 60% of Christian votes and candidate B say with 40% of the Christian votes. These 2 candidates then will run and the whole nation will vote one of them as President. Who is to say that candidate A who got 60% of the Christian votes in the first round would not end up getting 40% or less of the total national votes while candidate B with 60 % or more since our moslem brothers are the majority in Lebanon. How would that be beneficial to the christians in Lebanon versus a 50-50 electoral base as we have it today. Would the new president then be representative of Christian wishes and sentiment....
20:57 ,2014 أيلول 02
12
EX-FPM bravo and thank you for a great explanation. Aoun is not interested in Christian rights, he is only interested in himself. If Saudi and Iran strike a deal, and the shiiites agree with the sunnis where will michele aoun be and the Christian president for that matter. Selfish calculation at best
21:22 ,2014 أيلول 02
12
theroar your example in flawed. it would be more accurate if you gave the example of a post that is supposed to represent especially black Americans. Using Aoun's proposal the elections are done in two stages, the first stage only black Americans vote. The two top candidates then go on for a run off elections where all Americans elect a winner. The winner that is supposed to represent black Americans is thus elected by the non black majority.
21:33 ,2014 أيلول 02
30
You guys are all wrong. Roar, this proposal shares no similarities with the US whatsoever. Taking your example about Republican vs Democrat, you're just thinking about the general election. You forget that each party has primaries, and the party's voters decide their candidate. So in 2008 it wasn't just John McCain vs Obama. McCain had to win the Republican nomination against Romney and other Republicans, just as Obama had to win the Democrat nomination against Hillary Clinton and other Democrats. The people get to decide who represents their party before the general election even takes place.
So if they used Aoun's proposal, where only Christians could vote in the first round (equivalent to the primaries), perhaps Clinton would have won the Democrats' nomination instead of Obama because Muslims would have been disenfranchised. So they're left to vote between Clinton and Romney, neither of whom they want.
21:38 ,2014 أيلول 02
30
Don't ever try to teach me about American politics. You're a stupid Aouneh who's never been to America.
20:13 ,2014 أيلول 02
25
Again 200,000 dead in syria with bashar's red roses
Screw u and ur love for dictatorship and loss of self esteem
23:38 ,2014 أيلول 02
10
M14 has offered smoke, as in it has offered to withdraw Geagea's candidacy to discuss compromise candidates, whereas Aoun hasn't offered to withdraw his candidacy, he's just coming up with bogus proposals to dance around and cover his I-wanna-be-president agenda. Which economic reforms are you referring to, the one where he boycotted the cabinet formation for three weeks because his son-in-law couldn't control the energy ministry? Where's his solution to the water crisis? Bassil was energy & water minister for three years, and now his Armenian loyalists run it on his behalf. Where are the solutions to retain our water and not let it go out to sea? What's his take on the EDL standoff, as Lebanon has plunged into darkness again? Where's the energy minister's solution?
12:47 ,2014 أيلول 03
01
Man nickjames ur comment shows still racism although u nothing said but try to use names and not the way that u said armenian loyalist .
01:00 ,2014 أيلول 03
11
Who better recognize as "meaningless" an initiate, that offers nothing new and is "aimed at wasting time" than the spokesperson for the FPM. They are the masters of this practice and should surely recognize it when they see it.
His recommendation that the Lebanese government should deal directly with the regime of Bashar Assad rather than with the Dae3g to secure the release of hostages captured by Dae3g presumes that the Assad Regime is in communication with Dae3g and that it controls it's actions such that by dealing with Assad, Lebanon would be dealing with the Principal of the Dae3g. I'm sure he did not mean to incriminate the Assad regime with the conduct of its agent the Dae3g, but this he has done.
01:04 ,2014 أيلول 03
12
And following Jdressati's logic of dealing government to government, why does he endorse Hezbollah's dealing with the Assad Regime? If Assad wanted Hezbollah's participation I the Syrian war, according to Jdressati, Assad should have come to the Lebanese Government and sought Hezbollah assistance in its war, but Assad did not, which means that this guy is as unprincipled as any other member of the FPM. All of their policy arguments are situational. What is good for them to do is bad for others since the actions of others do not benefit the FPM.
11:59 ,2014 أيلول 03
30
mr Aoun, pls propose something useful for this country.. u are not better at all from the mustabal/mutabal party..
12:42 ,2014 أيلول 03
10
The worst ever bloc in history of Lebanon ,the other parties we can call on them as thieves maybe criminals of war but this party is the biggest indirect criminal in history of lebanon ,caused the dead of thousands during the war because of missjudgement decesions and immigration of lebanese and since a decade destroying the rest of it ,what a spoiled stupid old freek.
10:28 ,2014 أيلول 22
00
Im not that much of a online reader to be honest but your blogs really nice, keep it up! I'll go ahead and bookmark your site to come back later. All the best efdadffdcccg
